The following are a couple things that I posted in an online forum that Matt and I have been following since way back when we were into Unreal Tournament gaming (1999!)... anyhow, the board eventually morphed into a bunch of people who knew each other from gaming together, into a group of people from America and Europe who talk, bicker, laugh, etc., about current events since UT is no longer played very much. Anyhow, there was recently a topic started ( here - warning, pg13 language, etc) that soon became a discussion about torture, and how Bush may sign into law a Bill to allow non-adherence to the Geneva Convention in some cases, presumably to allow for "torture." Anyway, here are a couple of my responses which sum up my feelings on the issue. I've tried to kind of edit out some things so you can just read them as stand alone statements of mine without having to read the discussion. Warning: this is just my opinion. You might think its naive, or trite, or stupid, or...